wammo's and FDS - Guild Wars Forums

A Leprechaun · Apr 08, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

why dont people like wammo's i dont se th piont is it because there are loads of them?

also why do people say a FDS is the noobs weapon of chioce has it got some fatal flaw with it or is it just not very rare?
A leprechaun

Silent Kitty · Apr 08, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Wammo is a good first character. You can learn allot from playing a Wammo.

A Leprechaun · Apr 08, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

i have just started using a wammo (2nd character)
and my bro played it first character he is lvl 20 and pretty good he weilds an FDS and some peoiple say it is the noobs weapon of chioce why?

Urias Skult · Apr 08, 2006, 09:12 AM // 09:12

People tend to dislike Wammo's because they are arguably the most common type of character. Usually this means a higher rate of bad players that do stupid things in missions.

FDS isnt a terribly bad sword, but its now considered newbish with all the superior gold, green and other rare weapons with better stats. Newbs usually use a FDS as its cheap and it looks cool.

I remember them selling for 100k+ when they first started dropping, now, ~$500.

Silent Kitty · Apr 08, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

i have just started using a wammo (2nd character)
and my bro played it first character he is lvl 20 and pretty good he weilds an FDS and some peoiple say it is the noobs weapon of chioce why?

First, I have no idea what an FDS is. I suggest using that weapon untill you/he finds something better.
What other people say should never influence your gaming experience. If your Wammo is strong, than it must be good.

Urias Skult · Apr 08, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15

FDS= Fiery dragon Sword.

Evilsod · Apr 08, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27

FDS = Noob weapon of choice because Rurik has one. Anyone who starts the game or has little money wants 1 cos it looks cool. Later players realise that you can get much cooler weapons (also that swords are pretty crap compared to axes) and the first upgrade is much better when its not 'Fiery'. Although it can be a good base for a Mark of Rodgort build.

As Urias said the W/Mo is the most common class around and its hated purely because some think they're godly and do an incredibly large amount of stupid things. Hence why i never accept invites from W/Mo since they're almost always random.

I began the game as a R/W, been a noob i used a sword for some reason (i still have no idea why, think its cos my bow was crap). I learnt alot about the game simply from the fact i got my ass kicked in melee often. Tbh i wouldn't say W/Mo is the best char to learn the game on as many of them don't seem to have a clue about this thing called 'energy' that Elementalists and Monks have problems with between fights is and this is on levels like Abaddons Mouth and Thunderkeep.

Rilder · Apr 08, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

If you hear any body call you a noob because you use a FDS just ignore them or call them an elitest moron cause the FDS is not a bad sword, I personaly think its one of the greatest looking swords in the game, my warrior has had one since almost the entire time i've had him. its my "lucky sword" as i like to say. I have both a IDS and a FDS and I love my FDS more cause it looks cooler, so what that it dont have a "damage mod" (15^50 or whatever) thats why I love this game you dont need elite equip to be competitive

Replicant · Apr 08, 2006, 09:47 AM // 09:47

I actually started the game as a W/Mo just becaue i love the ability to tank damage, do damage and heal myself. making me pretty much completly self-sustained. I always make Melee with Healing on all games i play.

The reason why people dislike W/Mo's is cause its used excessively, so more people to screw up and make the build look bad.

I mean.. how often do you see a Me/E get called a newb build... not often because of the fact that not many people use it.. Fast Casting + Damage + Glyph's + Wards can be very effective. however, if more people got it and all you ever saw was Me/E people would start calling them newbs since others may have made mistakes in the past...

Discrimination FTL....

As for the FDS, most people starting the game see rurik with one, so they want one too cause of the look. would you rather use a sword that looks like a sword, or a sword of fire that animates?..

ophidian409 · Apr 08, 2006, 10:57 AM // 10:57

For those who don't understand why FDS is a noob weapon let me explain clearly to you.

Fiery dragon sword has an inherent "fiery sword hilt" that you cannot replace with another hilt. There are many useful sword hilt such as zealous, barbed, crippling, poisoning, sundering etc. Fiery hilt doesn't do any bonus except that it can do extra damage to icy mobs. People say you are noob becasue they see you are using FDS against normal mobs, but people don't say that when you kill icy mobs, they just think you are smart unless they don't know that.

Haggard · Apr 08, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

It is possible to have noobs of other profession;
In FoW yesterday I had a mesmer who claimed to be domination, but was in fact Illusion with Grenths balance as his elite, and regularly charged in. As the battery, I was spamming BiP far more than I would have to with a good team, and he died repeatedly (mesmers dont make good leeroys).
Or the Barrager/Pet ranger in tombs yesterday, who brought neither Barrage.. or a Pet (instead he spammed savage shot on things that werent casting, used apply poison, a 7 second Aegis, and Vital blessing on himself).
But having said that, the majority of new players are W/Mos, and the FDS appeals to them because its cheap and (for a new player) looks frickin' awesome.

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Originally Posted by ophidian409

People say you are noob becasue they see you are using FDS against normal mobs, but people don't say that when you kill icy mobs, they just think you are smart unless they don't know that.

Well, I think Fire is powerful against bugs and Charr too, which is most of ascalon, and after that theres the icy shiverpeaks, so at the start of the game you really can't go wrong with an IDS.

Worthington · Apr 08, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

it's not just about Icy mobs (when using a FDS) it's about mob profession. Elemental hilts bypass warrior's advanced resistence to physical damage. Take and Icy sword and a 3/1 Vamp sword and go beat on some warrior mobs.. The Icy swords will do far more damage, unless of course it's some kind of ice creature.

Nothing all at wrong with a FDS at all, as long as you understand it's place. My warriors primary weapon is an IDS, cause it looks damn cool. That doesn't mean I don't switch to a different sword when taking on ranger\ele mobs. Sometimes it's just the right tool for the job. The samn people calling you a newb are probably the same people who will Frenzy\Healsig.

MisterB · Apr 08, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by Worthington

The samn people calling you a newb are probably the same people who will Frenzy\Healsig.

/sarcasm: Naked, /dancing, Frenzied, Heal Sigging Wammos with Fiery Dragon Swords and Santa Hats For The Win! Don't leave Ascalon without one in your party! /sarcasm off:

On topic, my W/Mo is my first and favorite character, but I have never used an FDS, as a Zealous mod is always more useful to me, and I use axes anyway. I like my IDS for the less than 1% of the time I use a riposte/deadly riposte build.

Fred Kiwi · Apr 08, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Haggard

Or the Barrager/Pet ranger in tombs yesterday, who brought neither Barrage.. or a Pet (instead he spammed savage shot on things that werent casting, used apply poison, a 7 second Aegis, and Vital blessing on himself).

haha, classic

noice1 · Apr 08, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13

True, lots of players play W/Mo, but I really haven't seen too many "noob" Warriors. Maybe I just don't notice it as I, myself, am holding my own in every fight. Maybe if I was a another caster or playing on my elementalist I'd notice the noob warrior of the party? Guess I've been fortunate, and there seems to be an exploded population of warriors in general in the game, while monks are still hard to come by. I don't have a FDS or IDS and I get by just fine.

Don Zardeone · Apr 08, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Opinions are crap, math and facts are all that matters.

Wammos... whatever

Fiery Dragon Swords?
An FDS does fire elemental damage by default. Lets compare a perfect FDS of of fortitude with a perfect sundering longsword of fortitude.

Imagine you're a warrior and you have both these weapons. You're fighting another warrior. The other warrior uses full gladiator armour which has:
- 80 armour
- +20 armour vs physical

You use your sundering longsword to fight this guy. One in every 10 hits (I think it's even less than 1 in every 10), you will have a hit that has 10% armor penetration.
Your longsword does slashing damage which is physical.
Your enemy has 100 armour vs physical.
(correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure here...)
If you do that 1/10 hit, you'll hit him as if he has 90 armour. You will probably do a little more damage.
As I said before, it only happens once in every ten or more hits. Chances are, you hit a guy 100 times and you only get the sundering hit in once but whatever...

Now lets do the same with a fiery dragon sword.

The guy has 80 armour vs everything and +20 vs physical.
You do elemental damage so your FDS will bypass the "vs physical damage" with every hit you do.
You don't care about the extra +20 AL and you'll be fighting the guys 80 armour.

This should theoretically mean that your FDS has a 20% armour penetration on this guy on every hit (compared to the other sword) and is therefore at least 200 times better than a sundering longsword of anything.

I don't see why an FDS should be considered noob.

Maybe it's because so many wars use it on the fire islands =P

(I am an idiot, my calculations may be incorrect O.o)

Avarre · Apr 08, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Who uses sundering?

In PvE, you want a Zealous sword. In PvP, generally vamp is liked more I'd think?

Str0b0 · Apr 08, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Zealous FTW! I love my zealous fellblade. I didn't think it would make that much of a difference with only one point per hit and stripping one pip of regen. In fact I thought it would actually hurt my relatively energy heavy W/E build. In fact it saved it from being completely useless. Zealous and enchanting mods are a Warrior's best friend with an energy dependent secondary. Particularly Wammos who tend to use at least one enchantment.

Caelus The Fallen · Apr 08, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Opinions are crap, math and facts are all that matters.

Wammos... whatever

Fiery Dragon Swords?
An FDS does fire elemental damage by default. Lets compare a perfect FDS of of fortitude with a perfect sundering longsword of fortitude.

Imagine you're a warrior and you have both these weapons. You're fighting another warrior. The other warrior uses full gladiator armour which has:
- 80 armour
- +20 armour vs physical

You use your sundering longsword to fight this guy. One in every 10 hits (I think it's even less than 1 in every 10), you will have a hit that has 10% armor penetration.
Your longsword does slashing damage which is physical.
Your enemy has 100 armour vs physical.
(correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure here...)
If you do that 1/10 hit, you'll hit him as if he has 90 armour. You will probably do a little more damage.
As I said before, it only happens once in every ten or more hits. Chances are, you hit a guy 100 times and you only get the sundering hit in once but whatever...

Now lets do the same with a fiery dragon sword.

The guy has 80 armour vs everything and +20 vs physical.
You do elemental damage so your FDS will bypass the "vs physical damage" with every hit you do.
You don't care about the extra +20 AL and you'll be fighting the guys 80 armour.

This should theoretically mean that your FDS has a 20% armour penetration on this guy on every hit (compared to the other sword) and is therefore at least 200 times better than a sundering longsword of anything.

I don't see why an FDS should be considered noob.

Maybe it's because so many wars use it on the fire islands =P

(I am an idiot, my calculations may be incorrect O.o)

Your point is correct; but your numbers are, indeed, incorrect.
The expectation value would be to hit with sundering 10 times in 100, not once (thats why they call it 10% - ten per cent[hundred]).
And as such the fiery hilt is 20 times more useful, not 200.

Nonetheless a vampiric hilt does comparable extra damage - even more so if a Warrior adds more armour boosts like Watch Yourself.
Against 100 armour, your sword is basically 7-11, 80 armour is 10-15 [on the basis that you are hitting for 15-22 against 60 armour targets] approximately a gain of 3-4 damage, cf vampiric which is +3 for a sword.
Additional armour on the warrior will scale down the damage boost of the RFiery mod, but not that of the life stealing, moreover a vampiric mod is a very slight net heal, and with a speed boost becomes even moreso.
Finally, a vampiric will *also* add damage to every type of enemy, not just other warriors.

lennymon · Apr 08, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Ever tried to monk for 3 wamos in a PuG? its enlightening, every once in awhile but rarely, all 3 are skilled. More typical however between 1 and 3 of every 3 has no clue (meaning - won't do and says bad things when asked politely about it) about positioning, called targets, caster energy (a good caster will not have significant downtime, but occaisionally may need to wait for the right spell the recharge). Basically I attempt to help them learn how to tank/aggro/position nicely in mission if they are new. When they are unreceptive towards constructive advice out they go, or out I go.

This is not to say that Wa/Mos are the only offenders in this line of reasoning, just the most often encountered. I really like the mesmer in FoW story, Illusion??? heh.

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Originally Posted by noice1

True, lots of players play W/Mo, but I really haven't seen too many "noob" Warriors. Maybe I just don't notice it as I, myself, am holding my own in every fight. Maybe if I was a another caster or playing on my elementalist I'd notice the noob warrior of the party? Guess I've been fortunate, and there seems to be an exploded population of warriors in general in the game, while monks are still hard to come by. I don't have a FDS or IDS and I get by just fine.

FDS, whatever... bash em all you like while you wield a fellblade. Who cares it'll get the job done, and if someone prefers to use all the time, and has fun... I'll play with em (unless they are one of those wamos from above

)

Apr 08, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58	#1
A Leprechaun Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/	wammo's and FDS why dont people like wammo's i dont se th piont is it because there are loads of them? also why do people say a FDS is the noobs weapon of chioce has it got some fatal flaw with it or is it just not very rare? A leprechaun

Apr 08, 2006, 09:15 AM // 09:15	#6
Urias Skult Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia	FDS= Fiery dragon Sword. Last edited by Urias Skult; Apr 08, 2006 at 09:17 AM // 09:17..

Apr 08, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06	#2
Silent Kitty Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Netherlands Guild: [TYW] "The Young World" Profession: A/Me	Wammo is a good first character. You can learn allot from playing a Wammo.

Apr 08, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09	#3
A Leprechaun Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/	i have just started using a wammo (2nd character) and my bro played it first character he is lvl 20 and pretty good he weilds an FDS and some peoiple say it is the noobs weapon of chioce why?

Apr 08, 2006, 09:12 AM // 09:12	#4
Urias Skult Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia	People tend to dislike Wammo's because they are arguably the most common type of character. Usually this means a higher rate of bad players that do stupid things in missions. FDS isnt a terribly bad sword, but its now considered newbish with all the superior gold, green and other rare weapons with better stats. Newbs usually use a FDS as its cheap and it looks cool. I remember them selling for 100k+ when they first started dropping, now, ~$500.

Apr 08, 2006, 09:27 AM // 09:27	#7
Evilsod Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England Guild: Lievs Death Squad [LDS]	FDS = Noob weapon of choice because Rurik has one. Anyone who starts the game or has little money wants 1 cos it looks cool. Later players realise that you can get much cooler weapons (also that swords are pretty crap compared to axes) and the first upgrade is much better when its not 'Fiery'. Although it can be a good base for a Mark of Rodgort build. As Urias said the W/Mo is the most common class around and its hated purely because some think they're godly and do an incredibly large amount of stupid things. Hence why i never accept invites from W/Mo since they're almost always random. I began the game as a R/W, been a noob i used a sword for some reason (i still have no idea why, think its cos my bow was crap). I learnt alot about the game simply from the fact i got my ass kicked in melee often. Tbh i wouldn't say W/Mo is the best char to learn the game on as many of them don't seem to have a clue about this thing called 'energy' that Elementalists and Monks have problems with between fights is and this is on levels like Abaddons Mouth and Thunderkeep.

Apr 08, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42	#8
Rilder Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: Mystic Shadow Soldiers (MSS) Profession: R/	If you hear any body call you a noob because you use a FDS just ignore them or call them an elitest moron cause the FDS is not a bad sword, I personaly think its one of the greatest looking swords in the game, my warrior has had one since almost the entire time i've had him. its my "lucky sword" as i like to say. I have both a IDS and a FDS and I love my FDS more cause it looks cooler, so what that it dont have a "damage mod" (15^50 or whatever) thats why I love this game you dont need elite equip to be competitive

Apr 08, 2006, 09:47 AM // 09:47	#9
Replicant Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/Me	I actually started the game as a W/Mo just becaue i love the ability to tank damage, do damage and heal myself. making me pretty much completly self-sustained. I always make Melee with Healing on all games i play. The reason why people dislike W/Mo's is cause its used excessively, so more people to screw up and make the build look bad. I mean.. how often do you see a Me/E get called a newb build... not often because of the fact that not many people use it.. Fast Casting + Damage + Glyph's + Wards can be very effective. however, if more people got it and all you ever saw was Me/E people would start calling them newbs since others may have made mistakes in the past... Discrimination FTL.... As for the FDS, most people starting the game see rurik with one, so they want one too cause of the look. would you rather use a sword that looks like a sword, or a sword of fire that animates?..

Apr 08, 2006, 10:57 AM // 10:57	#10
ophidian409 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/R	For those who don't understand why FDS is a noob weapon let me explain clearly to you. Fiery dragon sword has an inherent "fiery sword hilt" that you cannot replace with another hilt. There are many useful sword hilt such as zealous, barbed, crippling, poisoning, sundering etc. Fiery hilt doesn't do any bonus except that it can do extra damage to icy mobs. People say you are noob becasue they see you are using FDS against normal mobs, but people don't say that when you kill icy mobs, they just think you are smart unless they don't know that.

Apr 08, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04	#12
Worthington Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South Beach, FLA Guild: APU Profession: W/Me	it's not just about Icy mobs (when using a FDS) it's about mob profession. Elemental hilts bypass warrior's advanced resistence to physical damage. Take and Icy sword and a 3/1 Vamp sword and go beat on some warrior mobs.. The Icy swords will do far more damage, unless of course it's some kind of ice creature. Nothing all at wrong with a FDS at all, as long as you understand it's place. My warriors primary weapon is an IDS, cause it looks damn cool. That doesn't mean I don't switch to a different sword when taking on ranger\ele mobs. Sometimes it's just the right tool for the job. The samn people calling you a newb are probably the same people who will Frenzy\Healsig.

Apr 08, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13	#15
noice1 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: IL Guild: [ARIN] Profession: R/	True, lots of players play W/Mo, but I really haven't seen too many "noob" Warriors. Maybe I just don't notice it as I, myself, am holding my own in every fight. Maybe if I was a another caster or playing on my elementalist I'd notice the noob warrior of the party? Guess I've been fortunate, and there seems to be an exploded population of warriors in general in the game, while monks are still hard to come by. I don't have a FDS or IDS and I get by just fine.

Apr 08, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15	#16
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Opinions are crap, math and facts are all that matters. Wammos... whatever Fiery Dragon Swords? An FDS does fire elemental damage by default. Lets compare a perfect FDS of of fortitude with a perfect sundering longsword of fortitude. Imagine you're a warrior and you have both these weapons. You're fighting another warrior. The other warrior uses full gladiator armour which has: - 80 armour - +20 armour vs physical You use your sundering longsword to fight this guy. One in every 10 hits (I think it's even less than 1 in every 10), you will have a hit that has 10% armor penetration. Your longsword does slashing damage which is physical. Your enemy has 100 armour vs physical. (correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure here...) If you do that 1/10 hit, you'll hit him as if he has 90 armour. You will probably do a little more damage. As I said before, it only happens once in every ten or more hits. Chances are, you hit a guy 100 times and you only get the sundering hit in once but whatever... Now lets do the same with a fiery dragon sword. The guy has 80 armour vs everything and +20 vs physical. You do elemental damage so your FDS will bypass the "vs physical damage" with every hit you do. You don't care about the extra +20 AL and you'll be fighting the guys 80 armour. This should theoretically mean that your FDS has a 20% armour penetration on this guy on every hit (compared to the other sword) and is therefore at least 200 times better than a sundering longsword of anything. I don't see why an FDS should be considered noob. Maybe it's because so many wars use it on the fire islands =P (I am an idiot, my calculations may be incorrect O.o)

Apr 08, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25	#17
Avarre Bubblegum Patrol Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore Armed Forces	Who uses sundering? In PvE, you want a Zealous sword. In PvP, generally vamp is liked more I'd think?

Apr 08, 2006, 04:44 PM // 16:44	#18
Str0b0 Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: North Carolina Profession: N/Me	Zealous FTW! I love my zealous fellblade. I didn't think it would make that much of a difference with only one point per hit and stripping one pip of regen. In fact I thought it would actually hurt my relatively energy heavy W/E build. In fact it saved it from being completely useless. Zealous and enchanting mods are a Warrior's best friend with an energy dependent secondary. Particularly Wammos who tend to use at least one enchantment.